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Episode 117: The Suffering of a Father with Frank Failace Sr.

March 12, 2023 Kevin Donaldson & Mike Failace Season 3 Episode 117
Episode 117: The Suffering of a Father with Frank Failace Sr.
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Episode 117: The Suffering of a Father with Frank Failace Sr.
Mar 12, 2023 Season 3 Episode 117
Kevin Donaldson & Mike Failace

Frank Failace Sr. has led a wild life but always remains a steadfast rock to his two sons.  Born in Jersey City in the heyday of all sorts of turmoil, Frank’s spirit shines through in an entrepreneurial spirit.  The stories and names all resonate of a time when life was simpler but just as wild.  This very special episode pulls at your heartstrings and documents a man who has done and seen it all.  Joined in studio by his two sons, Frank and our very own Mike, this fun and wild ride will be on the screen forever.


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Frank Failace Sr. has led a wild life but always remains a steadfast rock to his two sons.  Born in Jersey City in the heyday of all sorts of turmoil, Frank’s spirit shines through in an entrepreneurial spirit.  The stories and names all resonate of a time when life was simpler but just as wild.  This very special episode pulls at your heartstrings and documents a man who has done and seen it all.  Joined in studio by his two sons, Frank and our very own Mike, this fun and wild ride will be on the screen forever.


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Dented Development Project
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The Grande Saloon
FrontLine Cigars
Cafeina
Bella Dama Cigars
Hackensack Brewing Company - Peace, Love, Beer
3 Acres Resort Style Living


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Kevin Donaldson:

This is gonna hurt. It's time for the suffering podcast. I don't think there's a single human being on the planet that doesn't think they know what worry is. You deal with trials and tribulations of life in the best way you know how? Feeling that you are always prepared for any suffering that is thrown your way. A beautiful child enters the world that you are proud to call your own. Now you understand what real worry is the overwhelming responsibility to care for another life that you love more than yourself. What makes a human being impervious and invulnerable to pain is if there's nothing in the world they care for. When your child enters your arms, there is a vulnerability until that child is ready to make their way in the world. And even after they are forever on your mind as your responsibility. I'm Kevin Donaldson here with Mike Felice and on this episode of the suffering podcast. We welcome a very, very special guest Mr. Frank Felice to discuss the suffering of a father. I am a pilgrim and an unholy land in this studio right now. I am surrounded by felices.

Mike Failace:

Let's listen and you're the only Eagle fan in it keep it at that

Unknown:

a bit of win soup. Oh,

Kevin Donaldson:

if they if they don't win the Super Bowl, I am in deep, deep

Mike Failace:

purple. Yeah. And so it was my my, you know, inheritance

Kevin Donaldson:

because I've put out so much trash. You know, by the time this airs. Obviously the Eagles will be Super Bowl champions. But I put out so much trash that I'm gonna get my balls busted. But

Unknown:

I don't. mind goes Monday. Well.

Kevin Donaldson:

If they don't, Jalen Hurts. This is a message to you. If you don't, you're going to get a knock on your door by Mr. Frank fillet saying, Yeah, where's my money?

Mike Failace:

What happened?

Kevin Donaldson:

You're just fu pain.

Mike Failace:

What do we talk about?

Kevin Donaldson:

Before we get into anything, let's throw a shout out to one of our marquee sponsors. That's three acres luxury condominiums. 400. Claremont Avenue in Jersey City go to three acres jc.com to take a look at all the amenities. They really have everything there that you need. You never have to leave the establishment. Mike and I have been very fortunate to be welcomed into their family, and we couldn't be happier. So go to three acres jc.com check out everything they have. Now, Mr. Felice, thank you so much for coming in. The reason we're having you in is because during our second anniversary grand saloon event, you were the shining star he's the star to show you were the shining star.

Mike Failace:

We got the most comments probably just off of him on that show.

Kevin Donaldson:

100% And you just you shined people just wanted to listen to you. I appreciate

Unknown:

it. But that's that's me.

Mike Failace:

Well, that's what the whole thing that's what all comments were he just seemed so real and down to earth.

Kevin Donaldson:

No, you weren't. There was no rehearsing you know, you didn't. You didn't have to beautify yourself. You were just you

Mike Failace:

what you said to me, let's get your father on and for dad. Come on. We want to get you on. What am I talking about?

Kevin Donaldson:

And of course in studio, our special guest co host, Frank Felice, Jr.

Unknown:

from Frankie. I want the three of us on

Kevin Donaldson:

you. Oh, yeah. I told him. Absolutely. This is going to be something that's gonna

Unknown:

just before I knew, you know, I know my Frankie on Oh,

Mike Failace:

thanks. Thank God. I didn't have any more kids. We would never have room in the studio. We know.

Unknown:

Smack Pisces? Well, I'll

Mike Failace:

tell you what. Were your only kids are there any other kids gonna be showing up here? Same way Me too.

Unknown:

Me too. That you don't have to worry about.

Kevin Donaldson:

So if you just give me the give me the I you get him. I get him. Yeah, okay. We'll just we'll we'll go together.

Mike Failace:

We are trapped in a corner. Frank. Your time he moves. I can even get out. Right because Angela hasn't come in.

Kevin Donaldson:

Frank is trapped in the drunken corner. That's right. So yeah, listen, big, big shout out to Frank has been so good to us. He's been with here been with us from the beginning. Go to drunken corner on Instagram. Check him out. He does a lot of stuff on there. You really going to enjoy it a lot of Instagram lives, which we've been on a couple of times. There's a lot of fun. So Mr. fleece, one of the things that we do and I'm gonna call you Mr. fleece and I don't care what you say you've earned the respect. That's what's going to happen. We've what we've had this discussion before. So you're Mr. Felice to me you will forever be Mr. Phillips. Just call them senior senior senior. Yeah. All right, senior more palatable. And Mr. Felice and

Unknown:

this place is my father.

Mike Failace:

I say that to all time, Mister places. My father,

Unknown:

he appreciated. I was friends, and very good friends and friends wanting kids to learn from me and I says, Phil, I'm sure you'll always be insufflation

Kevin Donaldson:

it's how I was brought up in all honesty. You know, I teach my kids that too. This is, you know, Mr. filets. This is or I'll say, Mr. Mike, or it's Mr. Santiago, or it's Mr. Felice. That's just how I teach my kids because that's why I was brought up it's a sign of respect.

Unknown:

You know, it's funny when I grew up, the people next door to me He will by their first name. People live down the street. They will miss them Mrs. I don't know why. Yeah. You know really

Mike Failace:

close to close and families you can go by first name.

Kevin Donaldson:

Yeah, it's kind of like Uncle. Yeah, it's not mister. But before we before we go any further we take a question every week from one of our audience members, and we kind of put it out there to the to the guests this week comes from Pete 124 Pete underscore 124 What's your fondest childhood memory? Mr. fellatio, our guests today are senior I'm sorry, senior senior. I'm going to head this one off.

Unknown:

Really. I had many. But my father was a sports fan. My father is born in Italy. You'd never know what he had no accent. But we always went to bowl games and I live 10 minutes away from Hutto stadium. I saw what my father Jackie Robinson play with in Louisville Stadium

Kevin Donaldson:

was it was a pro or were the Negro Leagues. It was not always

Unknown:

in international league. No, really. So he was with my father. I tell people Yeah, I said I was with my father. My father would take me down there. And we were that was just like, at that time, it wasn't anything big. I saw him. That's how good he was. So

Kevin Donaldson:

So that's that was that's my question. Do you saw him play firsthand, and I know he was good. But in the Negro Leagues, there were people who are arguably better. Josh Gibson satchel page.

Unknown:

They kept him because they knew he had the mentality not to fight back. Because they knew once you fought but you linked

Mike Failace:

in here the drawing power. So yeah, he had a name. So we, he wasn't

Unknown:

the best, like you said, but he when he played, he had the wherewithal not to fight back. Just take it. I mean, he spared me.

Kevin Donaldson:

They really did some bad stuff. If you watch that. What was the documentary or the movie they made? 4242. That's what it was. Number. You know, I had a brief conversation with Willie Mays, because he was I think he was the third player to come up from the Negro League. So I

Unknown:

know. The first guy was the other guy yet them was from Patterson, Larry Doby, Larry Doby memory here. So they were going to bring Dolby up. But they didn't think that though we could stand as much as Jackie Robinson,

Kevin Donaldson:

we met the enormous amount of pressure that they had.

Unknown:

And you know what hurts? I can honestly say, I never grew up prejudice. I didn't know the black guy was just not every I don't want to say even today. So say oh, how could it be like this?

Kevin Donaldson:

Yeah. Well, I think today, it might be even a little bit.

Mike Failace:

You know, we've said this before, too. I think I think racism is a learned behavior. Absolutely. Because in my father didn't have a racist bone in his body. And that's why I mean, me and my brother. I don't think we ever met black people till we went to high school. Yep. So we had no preconceived notions about them. They're just regular people.

Unknown:

That's right. Tell I really don't understand. Yeah, it's a pretty high school. My friend's mom would make breakfast for black, white, and say, How can we bring the black? I mean, it was it's like crazy. I can't believe it.

Kevin Donaldson:

It's a it's such a foreign concept to us. Now. Frank. Frank, Jr. What do you think your your fondest childhood memory is? It better be about your father because he's sitting next to you and he's within hitting distance. It's gotta be

Mike Failace:

having me as a brother.

Unknown:

That's a tough battle. I probably have to say, and I'm sure he'll remember is that when we were growing up, obviously, sports, everything revolved around sports, Notre Dame Yankees giants, everything no matter what it was. And I wasn't young at this time. It was a little older. But my father always said there's two things he wants to do in his whole life. He wants to go see Notre Dame play USC Notre Dame and he wants to go to giant Super Bowl see Giants win the Super Bowl. So I got lucky enough to get tickets and took them to Notre Dame USC when Jerome Bettis was running back and Lou Holtz was the coach so we went out there for a weekend and so Notre Dame play USC and then my brother and I had the pleasure of going to the Giants Broncos Super Bowl and sitting with my father and watching him cry when the Giants win the Super Bowl we were there with him.

Kevin Donaldson:

Was that the one where Mike Adams said he was going to walk them to Patterson

Mike Failace:

no no that would that was the giant stadium Super Bowl right? Seahawks and because that goes because I

Kevin Donaldson:

know Mike Adams and I said we really gonna use and I was too far I was gonna walk but we lost anyway. So it was no big deal. So Mike, what do you think what's your fondest childhood memory?

Mike Failace:

You know, growing up and not just because he's sitting here today but I mean, Frank you go to Texas we had the greatest parents ever. You know, we really did. We didn't want for anything we didn't need for anything we to pigeonhole a greatest childhood memory. I think that'd be impossible. All the soup bowls we went to. I mean, we went to Super Bowl 20 We went to bowl 10 I was nine years old. My father took me

Unknown:

there rutina one I bet the team I couldn't say nothing to them. I didn't want to be jumping up.

Mike Failace:

Tenant was a Steelers and cowboys down in Miami with the Lynn Swann kids.

Kevin Donaldson:

Oh my really?

Mike Failace:

That's pretty cool. Like I said, we did all my father afforded us. A lot of a lot of great great memories.

Kevin Donaldson:

But you got to understand something Mike. Is great a memory is that was for you. I'm sure that was equally as great memory for you.

Unknown:

I love being with him.

Mike Failace:

I really did. He seemed like my parents divorced when I was probably about what seven years old or so. My father took me and my brother to California on a two week trip we went to Vegas, we went to San Diego we went to Los Angeles topless burlesque burly took us to a burlesque 97

Unknown:

years old. I mean, we go to

Mike Failace:

Italy Sally's version year.

Unknown:

That's where milk comes from in Vegas with a to get the million dollars outside. So we go suddenly anything. So I said, we want to coincide. You gotta be 21 Has it just come with me. Don't say a word. Just keep walking the walk and hear a guy yelling behind me. I just keep walking. We get into the thing the guy comes up. I says what I do like, you can't bring free ice. I didn't know that. I say alright, just we want to

Kevin Donaldson:

put in the opinions that you take them in Binion's that's another

Unknown:

horseshoe It was after was Ben Ben and J at the million dollars.

Mike Failace:

I think my my fondest childhood memory and Frank and I knew you could test it out is when we played little kids football. You know, North Arlington leaders football now the junior Vikings now but my father was our coach. Yeah, and we had so much fun playing back in the day. We I mean, that was a real special time.

Kevin Donaldson:

That's, that's a great thing. Being able to coach your kids because you see them develop, you see them learn. You see them grasp something that's a love of yours. And that's what I get out of coaching. So for me, you know, obviously, I'm the odd man out in this room. I'm gonna, but my grandfather and I had a very special relationship. You know, he lived with us for a short time. And I remember the bathroom they had we had like a little efficiency apartment in our house, which they lived in in the bathroom was leaking at the bottom, we put a sponge around it. And every once in awhile, you got to wring the sponge out, but him and I were hell bent on fixing this thing. It was one summer, I think it was probably about seventh grade. And he was an older guy, he couldn't get behind the toilet. So I'm behind the toilet. And we couldn't figure out what it was. We spent three weeks trying to fix a toilet. Here's what it did. It got me to spend time with my grandfather. It taught me plumbing I know everything there is to know about replacing the toilet and the inner workings of a toilet. And it was something simple, but I wouldn't trade it for the world. As frustrating as it was at times. I look back on that as one of my fondest memories. I learned so much I got to spend it with my hero. And those are memories that you can't buy. You know. So Pete, thank you so much for sending that question in keep sending in your questions, and we will get them on the air. So senior I'm gonna have to get used to saying that one. I know a lot about you. I've been I've been involved in your family in one form or another for 25 plus years. So I've heard so much about you. Why don't you tell our audience a little bit about yourself where you grew up? How you grew up.

Unknown:

Jersey City my whole life. I moved to North light and when I got divorced when I go back to Jersey City again. I love high school so much took before Navy as I went my mother said to me, you kind of graduate. You're embarrassing your father. I didn't want it because I knew I had to go to work. I knew I wasn't going to college. I'm not a college guy. That was it. But I I enjoyed high school just for the fun of it. Not

Kevin Donaldson:

was it the people you're around? Was it your friends or well we

Unknown:

have see when JC when you hang out you hang out with all sports guys. You didn't hang out with the guys with the book nutty Ditto. But you hang out with those sports guys, even from other high schools. I know people whenever we play Schneider for the amount of right, you make a tackle. It's a fight. It's a party at Johnny's house today. You're playing a team and you went to the party and that's how was it?

Mike Failace:

He didn't want to leave high school was making too much money. But that's how

Kevin Donaldson:

he didn't say no. So what kind of what kind of kid were you? Were you a knock around cage sports kid? Yeah,

Unknown:

well, I'll put it this way. They call me Frankie Butch. So I thought I got the nickname because my grandfather was a butcher. So I asked my mother one day his mom, how did I get the Nick named Frankie, Butch was supposed to come pop, because Poppy said, he says no. Your uncle Frankie gave it to you. So what? Because I sit in front of the thing? Can we walk up? Take it up? Well, let me see. For no reason at all, no, not at all at the fight kid. And he gave me a for example, familiar.

Kevin Donaldson:

Well, the worst thing you can ever do for your parents is to come home and say, you lost the fight.

Unknown:

My father, he's, he told my father, I tell these to my kids, my father would say, and my father was amazing. They'll tell you at night, if the ceiling fell down, and you would say, let's step over.

Mike Failace:

He didn't care about anything.

Unknown:

But if he said, If you ever come home crying, you better sit on the street, he said, and then walk in the house. Is it because you fight the bully? He's gonna beat you up. But he will never for you again, because he wants to fight a guy that's gonna fight back. And I told my kids, I'll tell you, I don't care if you get beat up. You better fight him again. Because he won't bother you no more. And he never did that. That's what a bully is. He don't want to bother guide it's going to fight back. He wants a bottle of milk toast guy that he teaches keeping up.

Kevin Donaldson:

This is this is 100% Truth. The best thing to cure. Bullying is a good punch in the nose. I'm telling you.

Mike Failace:

That's my father was. Mike Tyson said all right.

Kevin Donaldson:

Everybody's a tough guy today.

Unknown:

But my father was were like, my mother would say to me, my mom's maiden name was bonito, she has zero full ace in a moment. I was just my father. When I work with my father. He said, I can't believe that your father was sold. My father's really the nice guy in a

Mike Failace:

world my grandfather would get along with everybody lived in Jersey City, their whole lives pin. He would walk up and walk all over the place. But you

Kevin Donaldson:

were if you guys saw a grandfather, like I have, I've heard stories about my grandfather as well. But you guys saw a grandfather and I'm sure before you were born. You did in the Apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree. I guarantee there were some moments.

Unknown:

I have my my I tell you my mom's father who was a budino. He was a big shot in Jersey City. He was right on the hey, if you remember, hey, it was my grant. That's my grandfather had a packet. And if he had a packet, he used to hang out with the car that was in. It was like a Rolls Royce sitting. He would hang out with the guy down the street names. My name was Joe coffee. It was a councilman. My mom, my my mother and father lived next to one. That's how he lived. He married him. So she would come to my mother and say, have Frankie dress tomorrow? I want to take him with me. I used to go with him. I know we had speakeasies. My mother would never really talk with him. And she's I was the firstborn male. And he would say to my mother with time, I love him dearly. But it's not to me good. But that said, Sal, no, but he took me took me all over them.

Kevin Donaldson:

There was one name that keeps popping up and I want to know I want a little clarification on it. What is Tony the horse

Unknown:

or horse?

Mike Failace:

We did a little research we tripped him up in the first 15 minutes.

Unknown:

He lives in Cherry Street over New York. I mean this he was like in murder. One of them. But he never gets going. Now my grandmother is a miracle born because my father's first mom died in Italy with a brother with in sport poppies, epidemics. My grandfather came. He married my grandmother, they said she was American born, but she was out. He will come into the neighborhood. Terror. I'm a terror. I'm telling you that exaggerated. terrorize the neighborhood there will be afraid of they'll be jumping out of windows. Every time he came. He had a fight with a guy going home to get an axe. I'm serious. That's why when he said to the horse, but he will go up to the store. My grandfather had like a samba there. He grew up there. My grandmother would be hit with a broom, which is I told you don't come here when you're drunk. Why? I can't believe this. He's got peeking in. She's my grandmother's breeding them and she will feed them.

Kevin Donaldson:

Well, hey, that's sometimes it's that bully syndrome. Well, if he came in and terrorize the neighborhood to one person, what's he going to do a hit? It won't help but

Unknown:

that's how I said they say I can't believe he's yelling and she's yelling at him and he's hitting. Wow.

Kevin Donaldson:

And there was one other thing that kept popping up. What is the last football wedding? That was only two horses. That was totally the horse I don't know. What is that about? You can say whatever you want.

Unknown:

I get so many stories we've got well that's what

Mike Failace:

we have yet another hour after this

Unknown:

did a wedding course Am I can't I manage all the reason why. So my friend I hung out with his name was Mike Shanley,

Mike Failace:

Monkey Face monkey.

Unknown:

Mike you face that monkey hanging in on the window. So anyway, I got to grow at a time so I go Mike, he had to call we drove there. So we go up there we go to the thing. It was in the old the Knights of Columbus wall. So we have now proven they call football as they used to get the sandwich. Who wants to ham and cheese. They throw it over to you. So what's over, we'll let it leave. toe is Shanley was say, do you notice when he said to kiss the bride, everybody went to the bathroom? Nobody wants. So he says to me, Frankie, you got to take the sandwiches. I said Tony Wang, a daughter. I said take the sandwiches home with you. Oh, my goodness sandwiches, put them in the car. We're going home with throwing them out this side or when the people follow us down the streets talk like I'm on your father, who's gone with make believe and we try it out this when they come up this idea. We got rid of like 100 sandwiches or not the one

Kevin Donaldson:

what high school did you go to? High School? I had some people I know back a little bit before your time that went to Dickerson Oh,

Unknown:

yeah. That was a rival the

Kevin Donaldson:

payroll brothers.

Mike Failace:

My father graduated high school class of 5152 and 53.

Unknown:

So I went to talk to Illumina like two classrooms.

Kevin Donaldson:

It was better food there. Okay. So your your idea of growing up in this in this atmosphere? What? A kid growing up in the in the 40s. Right. Alright, so I want to know what your idea of what growing up was like what was a grown up to you?

Unknown:

me growing up with? I had the best life in the world, not just me. We had nothing. My mother and father didn't try to compete with the Joneses. I didn't get a call. My father did a call until I was old enough. We didn't lock the door. I didn't get a key for my house. Tell him what the high school

Mike Failace:

we mean, Frankie had the same thing growing up. Yeah, we never had a key to our apartment. He was just always open and

Unknown:

have my brothers with

Mike Failace:

her friends use that to their advantage.

Unknown:

My mother will put the key on the mat. Everybody knew the key was there. We come on with pygtk you. I mean, really? No, we hadn't. How could you complain when nobody's gonna? We weren't poor. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that. We were you know, average, but we had. But you didn't know. You didn't know what was ritual was when was everybody enabled? Because the same way as you're in the same position you're in. And the or you're gonna eat tonight? I've gone with a Spinoza. Alright. And that's how you did it. You didn't come home, you take your mother in somebody else's house. They just let you go. Because next day, that same guy will be in your house.

Kevin Donaldson:

Will did your parents actually try to push you out of the nest? Because I know a lot of Italian families and the mothers and the sons are very, very close. Did your your parents tried to keep you in or push you out?

Unknown:

Well, I'll tell you how unlucky days guys. I'm lucky. I'm married. I get divorce was approached by say go you gotta go back home. I suppose. For too long. 40 years. Group. Yeah,

Kevin Donaldson:

you move back in for 40 years.

Mike Failace:

Great, great story about that, too. You know, he moved back in with his parents. When he got divorced. You know, my grandparents. His his parents were still alive. My grandmother, no, Freddie passed away. My grandfather passed away first. And my grandmother want to live in a couple of years. She died. What 90 She?

Unknown:

She was 9095 90 faculties. That's good. So

Mike Failace:

she passes away and 95 Right. Or when she was 95. I call my brothers Frank. What are we gonna do? He was what I mean. Isn't that he's not. He's not old enough to live on his own. Yeah. He was like seven years old.

Unknown:

She was a to my pond was from the club. They said to me about license. I really used it. I never went home. So why should I begin upon? They cook for me? They did my clothes. If I wasn't going to know anything. I just don't like my respect. I would tell my mom I was I wasn't going on that same Brooklyn. You know? She was I don't want what he does. He's an author.

Mike Failace:

But oh, there were there were times me and Frankie got calls like the next morning. Your father didn't come home last night.

Unknown:

before two years, I was so home. Yeah.

Kevin Donaldson:

Well, you know, I bet you got February. Well Oh,

Unknown:

no the bad part of yep, I eat out most of the year or what? Yeah, we should go here. I get naked. Take your best restaurants. We just ate a lot. But if I didn't want to, I had a place to sleep at a place asleep. That's all I really cared about.

Kevin Donaldson:

Well, growing up, did you ever get in a little bit of trouble? Not how will the neighborhood there's, there's there's two ways neighborhood kids go. All right. There's the straight laced and then there's the nut straight laced, sort of crooked.

Unknown:

I grew up in a neighborhood with gambling was I tell people that I'm not ashamed in that. If I grew up in a neighborhood there was drugs I probably a druggie. I love to gamble. I just liked it. I mean, that's the idea. We live in the house, and with their club was called the former Owners Club. And that's where you went to the club and he said, I would play poker. For guys who will businesses, my friends would give me money. I'm, I was pretty good. Nothing. And I was very one damn place in town playing cards. I looked at the door. My grandfather, my father, as well as how do you get it? From where I lived? My mother looked down and can see me the window from the club.

Kevin Donaldson:

That's all it takes. Is

Unknown:

jewelry, anything out of this? I said, Yeah. I learned not to sit by the window.

Kevin Donaldson:

Sometimes fathers can just give you a look.

Unknown:

Oh, my father never yelled it never hit. But you know what? You know.

Mike Failace:

And I remember used to drive slow as crazy.

Unknown:

We were late. I busy basketball game when I was younger. And I call up my father. Tell him what time the game is. It was all right. I said Dad, I gotta be there by this time. Okay, yeah, no problem. Everything be all right. And we had no cell phones. So you just sit there and you wait. And you wait. And you wait. Can you wait? Game started in five minutes and you wait that you're getting dressed as you see my grandfather pulls up to the apartment? We get in? Frankie my boy All right. Grandpa let's go and then it's just like

Kevin Donaldson:

you should just get on ran

Mike Failace:

his last license plate it was bomb bol.

Kevin Donaldson:

But you you had this entrepreneurial spirit it was because I know what you've done you what you did later in your in your life. Was that? You know some about a gambler. You making good money gambling. You're doing all right. Not having a boss pulling in some money. Was that where the entrepreneurial spirit started with you?

Unknown:

When I got the voice? I gotta find something. I paid of my wife giving them money to say 70 colleges. But what how do I live now? I mean, adequate job. I was a union delegate though. So my friend from the Jim union delegate,

Mike Failace:

huh? Western Electric.

Kevin Donaldson:

Okay, and he never gotten any trouble, huh?

Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Always people are throwing strikes on TV. So I said

Kevin Donaldson:

wasn't that what Henry Hill was?

Unknown:

Telling me? Thank God, people were there. They don't believe

Kevin Donaldson:

I've heard somebody old strike stories because the gentleman I knew from his name is Anthony pero. So he was he was something with a 25. And he used to tell me about the old strike days. And how scabbard when it cinderblock went through the front windshield.

Unknown:

I was the lazy liaison between the cops and the and the union. So I got to be very good friends with the cops. I'm really and they would be taking pictures every day. Because they do and they're given to me later to see who people who work there and people would just strikebreakers and they will come so we kept three eggs and one thing is about the team says they were very very Global Union so you were Teamster No, no, no, okay. They would not we I put up a line across the garage where the garbage was it wouldn't cross it two weeks they they wanted to begin sacred secondary injunction to be able to open up the thing so now the fight upon named the police department is not what a captain you know and he always is and I told me so put me on the side he says the mayor here's what we got to do today. We know where to thing. Let us just shout push her around a little bit you know cuz we got to open it make it look like so is it show you when you were in nobody guys next to him sits in and if you move he said I'll split Yeah, head over to bat with the club, club captain system get on the side over just might you

Kevin Donaldson:

well, you know you both have to say face Police Department has say face you have to say face amongst your guys. Otherwise the whole system crumbles and doesn't work. But from the did you keep that job for the rest of your life or to do the union delegate or did

Unknown:

you know they closed they they moved my job and I wasn't going to move with it. That's that's really was the best thing happened to me. I love my job. I actually had an easy job. I had a good job

Mike Failace:

because he never went he was at. We used to call it like is it we didn't have cell phones so he couldn't reach out for my cell phone. It will call his desk and I was like, No, I don't see him round his books. His books are out because that's what he's got to be here somewhere. He was on the way to pick us up to go to our games. Oh,

Unknown:

you had to do is be like nervy. That's then my bosses knew where wasn't going like I'd say union business sort of sign you shoots for in a way you are. I saw them. They say with Frankie gone today. It's going to watch his kids ride their bike. No, I saw I tell Michael just the other day we had to go through No. I told my friends who the stadium of I saw Michael hit his first home run in New York. 10 o'clock in the morning. Very nice. All right, I went because I could do it. Other guys. People wouldn't put they wouldn't do it. I did it.

Kevin Donaldson:

Do I know you? I know you? You instilled that in both your boys knowing your boys as well as I do. They're so proud of their kids, and they're at everything and they're just supportive of their kids. I have to say that they got that from you.

Unknown:

I hope so. But

Mike Failace:

I definitely handed down.

Unknown:

I can see what the people would say to me you only go because your kids I said no. I wouldn't go if they stuck. I would go just to go. But thank God, you know, athletes, so made it easier. Yeah, you know, but I would go anyway.

Kevin Donaldson:

But when you're coaching that's that's a whole other thing when you're coaching your own kids, because that's I've done it and I think everybody in here has done it. It's it's a whole different dynamic because you your kids actually take it a little harder on the team than most people like because you don't want to show favoritism you don't want to show in daddy, we'll show

Unknown:

you how. We're playing one thing hot day. I'm taking kids out of the game. I don't take my son you don't think of it as my son

Mike Failace:

heat exhaustion. Yeah, he

Kevin Donaldson:

can handle it. And you know, they started they come to you crying with tears in your eyes. I'm like, shut up. Just get back in there.

Unknown:

But that's but I wouldn't I didn't think of it. I didn't think of it as just my Sunday's though. Right. And I was a person. I had one kid. Schultz Glen Schultz cave was he should have never been a football play in a meeting. But that's me. I can bring

Mike Failace:

up names today. They'll

Unknown:

come I come. I come late one day this kid is he's laying on the ground crying is what happened to you. I fell down and they're all jumping all over me and and and so I greet them all together. As you're thinking that good. I'm going to make it run was all for that. I'm going to jump all over why you do that? The kid was so thin. We just have can drives. Nobody would do them. The mother came to me so I can't believe this. We're gonna be here for like an hour late for our vacation. Was his my son wants to do can't drive. Yeah, but that's Sal. I was good to the to the bed kids and tough on the tough, right? Because

Kevin Donaldson:

you're trying to you realize something when you're coaching kids, it's the kids who aren't may not have the most athletic talent. You're you.

Mike Failace:

They want to be part of something. But the kids who are good,

Kevin Donaldson:

you're trying to make them better. So you're going to be a little tougher on the kids who are good. And they again, you don't see it. The kids don't see it while they're in it. They're like, Oh, you know, this guy stinks. Why is he getting the easy ride? When you're older? That's when

Unknown:

Michael That's friends. He was he was an end? What was his name? Joe? Joe Joe federal federal. That means I can mention because I can hate him. Me. I used to go to the VFW who when we play poker on Friday nights, so as far as me is my son can't stand you. So I told him why he wants to quit. So Father wouldn't make the liquid is it no he's when he got older he come to the club of Michael is that I want to thank you for being the way I would I say Joe I know you're good. But you gotta listen to this. Is this the way we set the system up? This by you will you don't I don't care if you make one tackle. You will force him to go the other way. And he could actually thank me he says, I really hated Joe. I didn't do that.

Mike Failace:

He made him a boxing defensive and all he had to do was just cut up field of boxing. Send everything inside. It's gonna get hated it.

Kevin Donaldson:

I had a kid I don't blame them. I had a kid that we lost for About two hours because he was chasing a butterfly. I'm not kidding you. He was chasing a butterfly. And his mother always used to give us crap about him not being in a game, but it was a dangerous situation. It really was. I wanted the kids to get in, but I didn't want the kid to get hurt. So every time we got someone else hurt, every time he would go in, he'd go down. So I learned, I'm putting it in first play. That way, his mother can't give me crap. He's gonna go down. Like he's not gonna It's nothing serious. He'll, you know, fall on his knee too hard or something like that. And but you have to judge each kid by their own merits.

Mike Failace:

What was that kid's name?

Kevin Donaldson:

No, I can't, can't say that one. So your job ends. Where do you go from there? Your union job ends

Mike Failace:

at the Copa Copacabana.

Unknown:

I worked in the gym. I used to go to gym. Whoa, that was a gym rat. So I used to go to gym. So one day my friend said to me you want to be a bouncer need to pass. Here, I'll take the job. So I took it. And the guy that was ahead of him. I thought he really liked me.

Mike Failace:

Was it lip? Totally lip? Oh, no. Told him and

Unknown:

taught him an awful Tony lips at another store.

Mike Failace:

Yeah, let's look at that one.

Kevin Donaldson:

So you know, you know, I just I just met both of his sons who wrote the movie Green Book. And one of them like two days after I met him, was found dead in Brooklyn. Yeah,

Mike Failace:

but the Tony Minako

Unknown:

Toad is the guy who taught him and afterwards he was serviced as long as buddy God. We actually practice this. Five of us. Went to my friend's house had its work with Salone I was supposed to work with Salone up here when he does this, we actually practice it. I want here he went there. And I he told me he liked me so much. The other four guys were always with Tony. But he said no. We got to put Frankie as somebody if somebody don't show up for it show show. I just opened my club. What do you think we get a call come to work by so I can't leave the club. Are you crazy? I can't leave the club. Tony monopolies.

Mike Failace:

Tony Minako was Sylvester Stallone's best man when he married Brigitte Nielsen, right?

Unknown:

Yeah. And he produced his

Kevin Donaldson:

movies. Yeah, no kidding. Is this is this way you got you tried to get your sons in professional wrestling. Now we went to kissing bandit. I don't think I forgot about that one. Oh, no, no,

Mike Failace:

that was Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown:

I'm working in law. So I see that doing the whitespace. So I see Tony.

Kevin Donaldson:

Oh, with Danny DeVito. And

Unknown:

Joe Piscopo. Yeah, Tony was in a few months. He's an extra in

Kevin Donaldson:

that movie. Because they shot part of that movie in Atlantic City. Yeah. I have a fisherman on a beach.

Unknown:

He's he would always wear black was gone with the black. Your black leather. Jacket though not as ruthless suit jacket. Like, one day he said to me, what do you I saw my work is will come tomorrow was a Sunday or Saturday. Bring your sons over. Alright. So we go walking or Zona here. Cut, cut the screw and cut. We walked off.

Kevin Donaldson:

That's why cat Lu was on in that movie. That's right.

Unknown:

So I didn't know we walked through. So Tony starts laughing. He said the only one. I said Tony, we didn't know we walked into is it just cost us$20,000. That's right before they blew up the

Kevin Donaldson:

car. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Unknown:

So now, Captain Lou. He says my son, who he used to look like, yeah, he comes over.

Kevin Donaldson:

I've seen the picture here. He goes

Unknown:

over to us. He sees my son. That time is in high school. Six weeks old. School guys is already though. So he says I play football. He's so rich that I am playing my first year because some he gets some map here. But I did wrestle and I went. He says you want to be a wrestler? He said, Yeah. He says he gave us a card. He said, You don't come and see me unless you go to college first. He said, Okay, he suppose everybody don't make it. You go to college. They had the studio is in Connecticut. Then you come and then I'll take care you went a little different than when he was saying he grabbed me on the side. My father was off whatever he's doing, and he's telling you about this when he come in wrestling. I really have to happy this and that you got the right stature. And you have to graduate college first of all, that's right. And I said all right. I said but you know, my father is here with me. He's not going to believe me when I tell them. So if I bring them over your mind if you let him on the tour live know what's happening. He goes, Yeah, no problem. So we find my father and I see him I go Captain Luke, come here. Here's my father and he turns around he goes, Oh, I thought I was ugly.

Kevin Donaldson:

So you move out of the coma. And how do you end up with Lemoore? Well, the rock club

Unknown:

His was good about my personality. When Tony calls me up, he says, I've got a job for you in Brooklyn. Nobody wants to go there. So I'll go there. Or IKEA, Brooklyn. So I went, my pod this I worked for them was called the Garden of Eden. I worked for them, they will. So I hear him at the ball. Talking about looking for open up another place to look for somebody. I can't rub two nickels together. I worked in my sister here looking for a partner. So my partner my right, right, right, right. Yeah, I should look either. Are you? Are you looking for partners? Yes. I want to be one. So it came from there. It's my mom. My mom left me money. Put they said the money two point is, it wasn't for him you in a minute today, because you tune this thing.

Kevin Donaldson:

But you had. So you had a lot of huge acts go through Lemoore

Mike Failace:

Oh, every one every 80s rock band that was ever did you ever liked the music?

Unknown:

I hated it. It was loud. I sat in the lobby. Yeah. Well, it was because I was like, had a security really. And I was saying a lot because if there's fights and this and the cops and I handle everything, yeah. Well, my George did the band's there was five was the one time to lift. One guy left wing guy. He opened up his own John is the one. And they open it, which is what they've been through is.

Kevin Donaldson:

So I know the name Lemoore. And I think Frank you told me this. The name Lemoore was everywhere. It was even written on the Berlin Wall. And

Unknown:

when somebody asked me how do you know? I said, because you know, I around there was little rock bands. So it ain't gonna be Lemoore I Love You Like France. They put the ball in a pro rock bands around.

Kevin Donaldson:

Okay. So it was that? Was that a good career? I mean, that was there for quite a while. Yeah.

Unknown:

25

Mike Failace:

years. And I know nothing. What 76 or 77. Disco, disco.

Unknown:

You see, we opened in 78. But when you haven't I don't care what people say today. If you're in A E I O ending. You don't get nothing. That they told you my place. We weren't though we really weren't. It took us from January to November to get a liquor license. Then we opened up as

Mike Failace:

as this good thing. Well, that's that's actually and they missed out because Oh, that was the year before Saturday Night Fever. They can't came to the club. First. They were going to film Saturday at Lemoore. But they want to donate 2000 2001

Unknown:

We weren't going to be ready by the time they came to the club,

Kevin Donaldson:

dealing in Brooklyn and knowing that that Brooklyn area, did you ever have to deal with some shady characters in order to get stuff through?

Mike Failace:

Well, we did without mentioning names.

Unknown:

We did believe in because they didn't bother you. I said contrary to what people say. They don't bother you. They only bother you is when you want to favor. So they come and they help you. Now they own a quarter club for you. And we never ever asked for a favor. never will. When a kid dining we did all ourselves. Did everything in it didn't have a body and why bother with the club. But when we opened it His neck was loaded. Lisa love it.

Kevin Donaldson:

I know we spoken to John elite about this because John elites father knew

Unknown:

well, no he know my partner Mike. Yeah, I said that Mike, I don't want to say that John is but he was my partner Mike worked in Queens. Yeah. We only only we we had hit the club in Queens.

Mike Failace:

That Lemoore East hamari so I thought that was komack Long Island. I have no more Far East. Okay. It was Serena, Milan. So sorry.

Unknown:

Oh, no, we had the biggest one, which we want we wanted to buy was the one in Staten Island. It was the most paramount. The Paramount Theater. Over 3000 people. Wow, we wanted to bet but had a crack on the site. We had to fix the wall and we can't afford

Kevin Donaldson:

I think you told me that Guns and Roses played there the day Appetite for Destruction

Mike Failace:

came out. Yeah. It was like the weekday the week the album came out.

Unknown:

Yeah, absolutely. Guns and Roses only played the club because they want to see how good they would be. Adam anhand already can't the

Kevin Donaldson:

club. Yeah, I mean, booking those acts had to be a whole different. Well, my point

Unknown:

of choice did everything we had depends on the Twisted Sister. No, but the one that's the big band. Metallica, Metallica, they were tuesday thursday bandits.

Kevin Donaldson:

Really to put

Unknown:

every Tuesday Thursday. No kid. That was my club name. That's why I'm not in the club business. I come into work. I go dad who's playing tonight. And look when the boy goes, rods and Metallica. Come in next week. Dad who's playing tonight? Rods Metallica. But go it was was medicine. They never gonna make it every freaking week. You're gonna get sick. Who cares you know

Kevin Donaldson:

40 years later listen

Unknown:

the true bands blast armored Saint last Metallica and homicide. Wasp. The guy was from Beirut from Santa luckily lawless. Yeah, he used to play with chaps on with no clothes. And just put the chaps on

Kevin Donaldson:

that overkill ever play there.

Mike Failace:

So my father's partners were overdose managers. Oh, really? Yeah. That's how I got

Kevin Donaldson:

into hooked up with overkill. Yeah, so overkill has been real good to us. Oh, yeah.

Unknown:

White Line was That was my point. They had demands my family was involved with the parents. They had the parents there.

Kevin Donaldson:

You've had this this, I mean, really an amazing life from grown up Jersey City to be in the Frankie bush to being a union union delegate. I'm not buying that one by the way. And then you finally get to the Copa which has historically been

Mike Failace:

I mean, even get back to the Copa

Unknown:

days and they wrote the song about them. Yeah, he did. He did security battle. Yeah, they wrote the song about the bouncer. He ate the floor.

Mike Failace:

Bet Midler Tiny Tim, I remember being a kid I think it was my birthday. It was either one of our birthdays. See tiny tiny 10 is funny

Unknown:

that they just show you my mentality. I bring them over a colpo

Kevin Donaldson:

so you let your kids around Tiny Tim, I want to go outside.

Unknown:

So now they're having a Jewish singles ounces. So I want to get downstairs go to the office. See we Tiny Tim was there have a pitch because he knew he wasn't formula tape was at the party downstairs. So bouncer stops me so the shoot me as I work here, I just want to go you can't go to what I do a gram by the drum. I'm Greg and my kids are on the top of the stairs watching me. I'm running them through the club. I said I I said What am I doing is my kids you gotta watch this.

Kevin Donaldson:

Well, I think so in wiseguys luau banjos character was called Frankie fixer. That's, I think that's what his character was it probably after after he met us.

Unknown:

It's funny we after Goodfellas came out, watch it in the movies. The scene where liotta takes his girlfriend to COPPA goes downstairs Dukes, everyone goes through this kitchen. And all my friends going on. It's great. I'm like, that's the only way. This What are you talking about? I said when we were kids, my father would take us we'd go downstairs to the kitchen go out. And they had a party and he put a table right in the center. We sit down eat dinner, watch the show. And that was normal. I thought that was

Kevin Donaldson:

that's how you did it.

Mike Failace:

I don't think we ever went to an Italian restaurant without coming into the kitchen. So when Claire and people like we got a little mellow from from Manhattan, and my father knew the owner's error and everything. And when I was younger, you know me and a friend of mine, bring some girls over to try to impress Oh, man, bring him to the Copa who No, no, we go to lamella Ramallah okay, it's a Mulberry Street, Brooklyn. I mean, in Manhattan, and I come up in the guidance, remember? MIMO? MIMO. It's a oh, how many is it for he go and there'll be no places? Is it? He goes to people's? Are you finished eating? They're like, Oh, no. Yes, you are. He'd like to clean up the whole table people out and say God said the union delegate.

Kevin Donaldson:

Okay. We'll stick with that. I was no statute of limitations are over. So doing all this stuff, I really want to know, in your mind, what kind of influence and what kind of role model did you want to be for your children whether you were not as a material but what did you want to do? Somebody that has a drive, or somebody that stands out for themselves?

Unknown:

I learned one thing you can't do. You got to be yourself. You can't be like that. I am. That's why I say Well, Mike, I teach you. Mike is like I am I would rather go to war with him. Than what Michael because at least Frankie thinks things over me Michael go to war. Shoot him. I say what would you shoot that guy wins another wrong? Like you would think I don't want I want them to be themselves. Just be. Don't be like me. I just want him. I did everything instinctively.

Kevin Donaldson:

I think every parent says that to their children. Don't be like me. I say to my kids now I'm like, don't be like me learn from what I did.

Unknown:

See what it's hard for them to do for me is I got pitches on with Tony Bennett. Jimmy loves Jimmy Duranty I love I love him. I'm Frank Sinatra. Sinatra. I must have such

Mike Failace:

a 20 or that Who do you think is a better singer Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley?

Kevin Donaldson:

I will not air this episode if this is answered wrong and Now

Unknown:

I thought Sinatra was better.

Kevin Donaldson:

Oh, well, no. Okay. I'll buy that.

Unknown:

I'll put it this way. I go to the 500 Club. I was with my wife at the time. This woman that we know, in the old days did you set the phones with with the switch switchboards when she was worth the New York tell. She was a supervisor. So she would get calls from the east coast or west coast through get an hour. Some of them over the house. My friend Patti his, his nephew, his nephew, her nephew,

Mike Failace:

Pandava. No, no. We're not gonna mention names.

Kevin Donaldson:

His brother? Was he another union delegate?

Unknown:

Would Patti pass his command. She had to take the phone where she had to go get something passes, come over here. Get on the phone. I get on the phone. It's Marlon Brando on the elephant, and he's cursing on the phone. I ain't paying you this kind of money is Asian. I ain't paying this kind of money for MRI. Come over here. You talk to the proper New York Kerak caught up on Brando. That's what his wife brought her up. She she she knew I liked fights. She she knew I liked Frank Sinatra. She knew I liked Frank Sinatra. So she called a patty calls me up is Frankie. It's say you got to go small. His mom was working. I know I got to work. As a cat, you're getting out of the work. We're gonna get down let you sit. I mean to Atlanta city, the 500 Club. We got tickets for Sinatra. So when he when she said she gets help, I did come up here for the dice. So we'll get down here. So we'll get there already, Danny. It's Patti. And is Suzanne, being smart Kathy. And my friend Mike will get down there. Now we get the no name on it. guestlist. I said, come on. Today. I gotta get to work. And she's irate. I mean, irate. Where's the phones? Because he had no, you gotta walk the corner. She was up on the corner. Three way conversation. Ha. The 500 Club in Vegas. Anyway, she shreds it out, back down to the 500 Club. And he says Well, why do you say who you walk up? We went down. She we had was

Mike Failace:

IV to forget about heart carte blanche.

Unknown:

To guided show with Sinatra that night was Dean Martin.

Kevin Donaldson:

Got to start in Atlantic City with Jerry Lewis.

Unknown:

But that's who was happened to be one of the ratpack to me, I thought he's better than Sinatra.

Kevin Donaldson:

So I would agree with you because I actually saw both of them. I saw both of them in concert. And to be fair to Sinatra. He's getting older and I think he had to use a teleprompter at the time. Dean Martin's voice never wavered. It was smooth as silk. But Sinatra had that charisma.

Unknown:

But see the mom was because he even said, You expect me to sing. He's the most vocal. He didn't say one song. He just cracked jokes. Whoo. Hysterical. I mean, hysterical laughing.

Kevin Donaldson:

I just watched the Dean Martin rose. And you know, the guy was a comedy genius.

Mike Failace:

He was. And that's another thing we're talking about, like grown up Super Bowl. 22 in San Diego. When we get on TV. Yeah. The night before the Superbowl. I was if it was Super Bowl 22 I was 21 years old

Unknown:

way I had to call them up. They had some they want to go see Sinatra. Just like now because I want to take kids to see Sinatra. I want to go see because I knew a guy who worked with his secretary. Now he told us

Mike Failace:

the night before the Superbowl. My father took me and my brother to Sinatra was a Midler. No. Liza Minnelli took us to a concert. You want to talk about great stories when you're growing up? I mean, that was and we had Greg

Unknown:

right near us. A guy gets out of the taxi cab. Can't we you hitbox and his friends laugh at Adam is there I guess I'll see you when the show was over. Because he had no ticket. So me. When I got the ticket, I had to boil forward him to my friend and I paid 120 $500 Back to pay 25 child care but I couldn't get rid of the one ticket because my brother in law's sister was there nobody wants to go so I got one ticket. So this is a show we don't want your kids there. So I go I hear a guy walked by the guy says I got a ticket for Sinatra you want to go right away to guide yourself that he said to me, why are you a scalper I would have did like I did janky I would have told a ticket up in front of, I'm sorry, I did a giant ticket. I tore $100 Giant ticket up. Tronic hydrates. That's it. Now I don't care who goes. When we got to go inside the windows seven throw, the guy was buying the drinks he couldn't play. I can't wait to go home who said to see my friend, he said,

Kevin Donaldson:

Your son Frank got that same mentality from you. And I'm going to tell you a little story that you probably don't even know when Frank and I used to work together. There used to be a guy come around and sell watches. You remember this guy used to sell like knockoff? They were nice watches. Well, they would turn your wrist green. And I think it was you I'm pretty sure it was you. The guy would always take them. He always came in the dealership and he would take them back. He takes the watch outside. The guy offers him the money back, takes a watch outside and he goes and hits and hits it with a hammer right in front of the guy. Because I'd rather bust this piece of shit rather than give it back to you. So maybe maybe you rubbed off

Unknown:

with the thing with Liza Minnelli. They come down and the Tramp down the aisle. Frank has taken pictures of her now she sees and she smiled at him. He's taking pictures that she sees him young keep up that is some hamster the camera. So what do you think he does?

Mike Failace:

Pull the whole roll out. I

Unknown:

said Nigel happy. You're rolling dice. I don't care. I said you're ruined every everything on here.

Mike Failace:

That was back in the like the 35 millimeter. He pulled a whole roll of film out there. Everything got exposed

Unknown:

and I felt like Jerry Jones and Jimmie Johnson, headlock, really on Bourbon Street.

Kevin Donaldson:

On that same roll and missing

Unknown:

Jimmie Johnson's hair. And no one touches

Mike Failace:

that hair. When I was a that was like I said that was going back to days.

Unknown:

That was bears patriots, because we said Remember there's a wager

Kevin Donaldson:

20 I hope you guys both realize how lucky

Mike Failace:

and that's what I said when you brought up the the social media question. I can't pick out one time I said we've been so lucky took us to so many Super Bowls. We went to New Orleans we got into parties we weren't supposed to be. We were staying in a hotel where the NFL Players Association had their dinner. So me and my brother took the hotel up and we used to get autographs Hold on. It's we're standing outside that, you know, we get outside the elevator, the big ballrooms out there. To get into you had to have a ticket. And then they didn't they stamp your hand. You have no Yeah. They give you a ticket. And then they had to stamp your hand and you give them the ticket. So some guy comes out, he sees me and my brother is like, you guys want to go in? He went in. He showed a ticket, got his hand stamped. He came back out and give me and brother. He asked the guy said can I keep these tickets? You know, just for you know keepsake? Yeah, sure. No problem. He's me and my brother. It takes me and my brother were an NFL Players Association, dinner, dinner with everybody that will who's who of NFL players. I mean, it was unbelievable.

Kevin Donaldson:

They should you should write a book on how to relate to your children, especially going through a divorce having to be a single parent. Because it sounds like to me you did a wonderful job at

Unknown:

their mother. Did he tell you one thing? My divorce today? I should have used my did nothing. His mother was terrific. Just my lifestyle. She was a mother. And I was never cheated. But I want to hear where you go on. I'm calling. And I took the role of

Kevin Donaldson:

COVID You're always involved in her lives. So

Unknown:

that's because her mother would call his their mother would call me and say yeah, you're gonna say little Frank could play yeah, she know. Because soppy I'll drive you there. It was if people would say to me, I just saw your wife, I'm divorced. 20 years,

Mike Failace:

you would never know my parents are divorced. They did everything together. Like if their friends are going out to dinner. He'd say, Come on, you know, like, I don't have Tammy and Willie going

Unknown:

out of respect for him. When I told him I only thought that the Friday video because I would never told kids this. And respect one hour your mother wants alone. My friend had a bar in in Manhattan. So she knew him. So we go anyway, he ain't there. Now. So now I'm talking really compensation. And I can't deal with I think we just go home and I could have went home and I said, we're going to start I'm not going to change. Why am I going to put her back in the same position that you was when I ain't gotta change that? That's a respecting. That's why I said it's a respect. I told him. I'd never slept your mother once. It's like a divorce. You want

Kevin Donaldson:

to tell the positions because it's your boys are no I'm only kidding. I'm only it's it's

Mike Failace:

it's not gonna mention names. It's a respect.

Kevin Donaldson:

But if you were to if you were to see another father in your position, what is the best piece of advice you think you could give them?

Unknown:

Just don't lose your kids. No matter what happens You got to bring them back you got to reel them I don't care what you do you got to just don't lose them. My friend married he had a daughter and his his wife his how crazy she was. She was see see we run out now singing singing your father is a bitch and your mother and your your mother's son so that means you're a son of a bitch never said nothing

Kevin Donaldson:

that's like what I used to say to my my brother

Unknown:

but he tried to eat he didn't see his daughter and 50 is never saw once you got married because the mother poisoned the kid never came and my he was good to her to K went to Notre Dame as a Michael Weiss your own usual who's your husband's got money? She ain't gonna sell need you. But that she just points

Kevin Donaldson:

we are coming to the end of this thing and

Mike Failace:

one question on say real quick who were the Damon Runyon characters told you we did research here's my job

Unknown:

these hang out because like Denver on your place where to hang out and you go and he I mean it's like crazy. Tony to horse Benbow.

Mike Failace:

Everybody had nicknames, but it was only a union. What was the other one? You had limpy Damon Runyon characters

Kevin Donaldson:

Johnny, the spook John, or whatever it was. So we are coming to the end of this thing. And I do want to give a shout out to one of our sponsors Toyota of Hackensack. We buy our cars here because we don't trust anybody go to Toyota hackensack.com Let them find your car. You went there, Mr. Floyd. That'd be good call. All right. And how do they treat you? Very good. All right, that's the best plug we can do for you.

Unknown:

I could say that. I still don't know how to drive the car but they sign I turn this the windshield because I turn this the

Mike Failace:

breakers sunroof open. Like a family truckster.

Unknown:

The brake is always on. I do know I didn't touch that. I said everyone I lifted places to listen. Put all the radio stations on I know which 72 degrees. I said, because my thing was, it's the the place the climate control. Yeah, they have no but the Stadium in New Orleans. They used to keep it at 72. So good. So we don't have it's good enough for me. It's good enough for me. I may get seven. But that night, I still haven't touched nothing.

Kevin Donaldson:

Mr. Felisa, thank you so much for coming in and telling us all this stuff. It's been a lot of fun, Frank. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you for having us. Mike. And I have been talking about getting you in here for some time. And especially seeing how well you did it the grandson I think it has been. This has been something special

Unknown:

to me, which is I sometimes don't like to tell stories, because you don't want to get people involved. You know,

Kevin Donaldson:

you don't want to mention any names. The key

Unknown:

to doing a suffering podcast after our show, and then we can get all the stories.

Kevin Donaldson:

Oh yeah, it'll be close. Actually on Patreon on Patreon, that'll be a good one. So if you want to hear the stories behind the stories, yeah. It'll be like, ever since I can remember growing up in Jersey City, I always wanted to be a gangster. movie starts.

Mike Failace:

We have a lot of pre stories because Andrew everything we were talking about before he records anyway, so

Unknown:

it's just never really want to be like a gangster. No, I don't blame me. No, I'm just saying people just thought that because they say them as what is your father? So what do you tell them? Say, I don't know. That's what he told him. When I was in college people thought it all the time. And I never said yes or no. Yeah, exactly.

Mike Failace:

So they wouldn't they? That's a powerful weapon. Got that. I never

Unknown:

I never went anywhere else United or approval when he was played miracle Legion board members. Mr. Roberts, guy used to call his game he would sit the mic became good friends with his his grandson and son who died in the nine alignment. He would sit with me you would actually have a chair. Bring the chair would sit down and some days I'd go to like this. Nowadays they go to your dress, because I'm going out here today. So I'll come in here with dress one day we'll sit down is the frankly is your question. I said Yeah, Joe don't want whatever you want. He says, Are you involved? So I said them doesn't matter. He said I'm sorry. on every issue.

Kevin Donaldson:

Meanwhile, you're sitting in a chair, go like this with a cat on your lap is like Mr. Felice. This has been this has been wonderful. It's really been wonderful. Thank you so much. You're always welcome to come in here. Thank you for lending me your son every week.

Unknown:

And until you can have him forever.

Kevin Donaldson:

And that's gonna do it for this episode of the suffering podcast, the suffering of a father with Mr. Frank fleece senior. And let's think about all the stuff that we learned today. Frankie Bush, Tony horse, and the other one I'm not even gonna match. Oh, is this book? Yeah, I'm not No, no, no, no, no, that was a father can give you just one look. Don't walk through a movie set because it may cost you 20 grand. We won't mention names. I learned that one. And if you're going to get a job when you grow up, be a union delegate. But most importantly, and this is from the heart says, Don't ever lose your kids.

Unknown:

I tell him that. I'm the first one when they argue. I cannot find out which one I can. Because me I think I call the one of them up and the wife calls me back says you call up someone I said, Yeah. Says you just call me. I said I'm glad. Don't ever, ever. I don't care. Yeah, give me an example. Good example. The best example I can give you. My uncle Frank. I'm not my grandmother's house. It's my my mother, my uncle Frankie, my uncle Nikki and my grandmother. So for some reason, she was in it back to do something. So my uncle Frankie says to my mother, she said something. I had to slap you in the face. I jumped over grandma. Don't you ever say that to my mother again? Oh, look up. My mother's sides hidden me. So what are you doing? That's my brother. She said he and I realized she didn't say nothing wrong. That's how brothers and sisters with he didn't mean he was going to slap uh, you know he just you know you didn't add again like I'll take money. Yes.

Kevin Donaldson:

Thank you so much. And that's gonna do it for this episode of the suffering podcast. Don't forget you can always listen before you watch all of our audio episodes come out on Monday. Go to paypal.com Put in the the code tsp 24 Nice 20% discount on your next digital business card. Don't forget to follow us on social media tick tock LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. Follow Mike at Mike underscore Falaise. Follow me at real Kevin Donaldson follow the drunken corner. And don't forget to follow the suffering podcast. We're gonna see you on the next episode.